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A conversation with Christopher Chambel (Chris Andrews) candidate for state youth elections into Parliament

Description: A conversation with Christopher Chambel (Chris Andrews) on Facebook - including comments after he dropped out

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Chris Chambel now appears to be Chris Andrews https://www.facebook.com/FallingSkies94
 
  • Conversation started 9 April
  • Chris Andrews

    Hi mate,

    How are you going? 
    I would like to talk to you once again about a post you made on your "MolestedCatholics" website on me several years ago. Could you please take it down? Or at least delete it and let me write up my personal views on the issue maybe?

    Why do I say this? I was a child abuse victim also. For nine years so I'm 100% against any form of child abuse. So I don't like to be made out to be the bad guy on your website when we are in such similar situations.

    Would you be willing to negotiate?

  • Today
  • John Brown

    Just found your message here Chris - do you have a link to the page your are referrign to

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  • Chris Andrews

    Absolutely 
    index.php?id=826
    I know I've ranted on about this article for sometime now but I do think its quite unfair given my past abuse history. Also, when this was written I think I was only 15 or 16 years old. Plus Youth Parliament is very different to actual parliament. So we can't actually make laws. We can only make Bills. And its up to the actual state parliament whether they want to ever make the youth bills become law.

  • John Brown

    Chris. Perhaps a try at answering the question which was in regards how you anticipate providing choice to children in regards their right to freely choose the religion they wish to follow.

 
 
 
Chris. Perhaps a try at answering the question which was in regards how you anticipate providing choice to children in regards their right to freely choose the religion they wish to follow.
 
Could that mean that they should be provided with a religiously neutral environment until they reach 16 years of age perhaps?
 
How does a child exercise their right to freely choose a religion?
 
Is it the parents right to choose for their children or is it the parents responsibility to protect their children in a religiously neutral environment until they are 16 years of age? 
 
JohnB
 
 
USER#1-USER#2-SECURITY01 <usersecurity2011@gmail.com>
 
Dear John,

Thanks for yourresponse (written on your website).  I am not publicly endorsed - it's a nomination process for Youth Parliament and is apolitical and electedmembers aren't "politicians".  They are Young Members of Parliament.  Iencourage you to contact Parliament house and check for yourself.  Ihave outlined my rules to you and told you that I am not formallyendorsed, thus you are required to take this down.  Failure to complywill result in legal action.

Have a nice day.
Chris.
 
 
 
USER#1-USER#2-SECURITY01 <usersecurity2011@gmail.com>
 
Chris,

You are a publicly declared candidate for public office - your request has been denied.

rgds

JohnB



On 17/02/2011 7:02 AM, USER#1-USER#2-SECURITY01 wrote: Dear Ken and John Brown,

I, Christopher Chambel request that all content regarding myself is removed from
(Christopher-Chambel-candidate) along with elsewhere this has been published.  I will give you the opportunity to voluntary remove all content removed about myself.  If this cannot be done, some form of legal action will have to be considered.

Yours sincerely,
Chris.


 
A conversation with Christopher Chambel - including comments after he dropped out and failed to respond to a message asking him how he was going to ensure freedom of choice for children
 
From  Facebook
 
Buggered.  First off - this in no means is me causing an argument, but what do you have against Christianity and religion?  Abuse happens all over the world.  The Pastors, etc who join Churches and molest boys/girls are either 1) Satanists turning people against Church this is written in the Book of Satan or they are normal pedophiles who find Church is the easiest target.  I don't really like when I am discriminated for my religion.Christopher Chambel

Buggered. First off - this in no means is me causing an argument, butwhat do you have against Christianity and religion? Abuse happens allover the world. The Pastors, etc who join Churches and molestboys/girls are either 1) Satanists turning people against Church this is written in the Book of Satan or they are normal pedophiles who findChurch is the easiest target. I don't really like when I amdiscriminated for my religion.

Buggered By-a Priest
Buggered By-a Priest6:48pm Feb 12
Have all the religion you like - simply do not organize it and frighten the children with it. The only thing I have against christianity are itsfailures and its ability to inculcate and indoctrinate people intobelieving in a fairy in the sky which I have no problem with except when it attempts to teach children that this is fact along with those whoput forward the words of some scribe rewritten numerous times throughout history and put forward as a result of organized religion as being fact - more than happy for you to keep your myths of satanism - just don'twant a non-democratic, fairy believing organized religion to play anypart in the democratic operations of the country


"I" do not frighten people with my religious beliefs, nor do I force people to believe in something they don't want to.  I believe everyone has the right to choose in whichever religion they want - whether that be none such as yourself.  And in regards to you saying the fact that people are forcing others to become a Christian, that is false.  I don't see laws forcing people to go to Church and Kevin Rudd is a Christian.
Christopher Chambel 12:54pm Feb 13
"I" do not frighten people with my religious beliefs, nor do I force people to believe in something they don't want to. I believe everyone has the right to choose in whichever religion they want - whether that be nonesuch as yourself. And in regards to you saying the fact that people are forcing others to become a Christian, that is false. I don't see lawsforcing people to go to Church and Kevin Rudd is a Christian.


"I" have never frightened and never will with my religious beliefs.  I have never forced anyone to believe in Christianity either - everyone is equal no matter who they are.  If someone wants to be a Muslim, or have no religion then so be it.  It's there own choice, there own belief. In regards to you saying that people are been forced into religion, that is false.  And not everyone in power would turn Australia into a non-democratic country - you're blowing things out of proportion.  Look at the facts; what's the chance of that happening here in Australia?  Basically none.  For example, Kevin Rudd is a Christian and goes to Church and so does many politicians I know.  Have we become non-democratic?  Do you think because we are Christians we have no right to run the country?  I am running in the state youth elections into Parliament - as a Christian, all I want to do is stand up to child's rights.  But the world can only do so much to protect youths and children.  What do you expect us to do?  Take down all Churches?  That's taking away democracy - yes - sure, I can understand your frustration with many Pastors been pedophiles but realistically the only thing that can be done there is a harder process through the Government that does a thorough check on there history (similar to something they do for people obtaining Security Clearances).
Christopher Chambel 1:04pm Feb 13
"I" have never frightened and never will with my religious beliefs. I have never forced anyone to believe in Christianity either - everyone isequal no matter who they are. If someone wants to be a Muslim, or haveno religion then so be it. It's there own choice, there own belief. Inregards to you saying that people are been forced into religion, that is false. And not everyone in power would turn Australia into anon-democratic country - you're blowing things out of proportion. Lookat the facts; what's the chance of that happening here in Australia? Basically none. For example, Kevin Rudd is a Christian and goes toChurch and so does many politicians I know. Have we becomenon-democratic? Do you think because we are Christians we have no right to run the country? I am running in the state youth elections intoParliament - as a Christian, all I want to do is stand up to child'srights. But the world can only do so much to protect youths andchildren. What do you expect us to do? Take down all Churches? That's taking away democracy - yes - sure, I can understand your frustrationwith many Pastors been pedophiles but realistically the only thing thatcan be done there is a harder process through the Government that does a thorough check on there history (similar to something they do forpeople obtaining Security Clearances).
 
Buggered By-a Priest
Buggered By-a Priest6:57pm Feb 12
btw - you missed including "only in it for the money", "its just a few badapples", "the boogey man in the sky will get them", "mentallydisturbed", "I am offended", "your reward will come in the next life"and you are only angry because you were repeatedly raped as a child byboth nuns and priests and were denied along with millions of otherstheir right to justice for 50 or more years" --- oh and "forgive them so they can do it again" http://www.facebook.com/l/568a9iihxPOBgQwkc4Bng7gAW4Q;www.molestedcatholic.com/Estimating-the-numbers.php - btw2 I feel the same way about all misogynistic child raping, non-democratic religions christian or otherwise.


 What remains of the conversation
 
Deb Williamson
We have politicians watching this group, so please post a comment on what you would like to see for FA's....

    • Deb Williamson Give financial redress to those who have been fighting for years on of whattranspired in these hell holes. Really the % who would claim is quitesmall. For the rest of us who never knew that we could do anything about it, we got the apology which is not worth the breathe of which it camefrom. We need better medical health cover, to help us all in our growing older years. Specialist care without having to pay for their serviceswould be a start. How does everyone else feel what you need?
      Yesterday at 4:05pm ·


    • Deb Williamson Yes Buggered but it's all about what happened...now what do FA's want? Wecan go on forever of what happened can we start concentrating on want we need. Thanks for the link it is quite disturbing what has gone on drugtrials on children etc. :(
      Yesterday at 4:14pm ·

    • Deb Williamson
      A VACCINE TRIALS DOCUMENT
      Commission in dark over vaccine trial documents.
      Hand over vaccine files State and Drug firms told.
      More vaccine trials were kept secret by the state
      Paddy Doyle: We need to know if we were used as guinea pigs
      ...Truth needed on vaccine trials
      VACCINE TRIAL FILES ARE LOCKED UP...this should help you Dianne Cherrie with some info for your group.
      See More
      Yesterday at 4:20pm ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest
      The same as anyone expects. To be treated equal before the law. Thoseinvolved to be held accountable (institutions and individuals) chargedwith the crimes committed.
      Fair and equal compensation. Acknowledgment of the long-term effects on ...individuals and on society.
      Legislation that will deny these institutions the opportunity to abuse againthrough denying them the ability to operate in these areas for a minimum of 100 years.
      See More
      Yesterday at 4:21pm ·

    • Deb Williamson Most of these pieces of scum have either passed or will be dead by the timeany court can convict them. So if this can never happen and the fair and equal compensation would be for who? Those who have been fighting thisfor years for justice or should every FA be compensated equally? Justtrying to bring some thoughts out on what FA's would like to see happen.
      Yesterday at 4:29pm ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest
      Many of the individuals may be dead, however the institutions that supported them through their ideologies continue to profit through providingextension of governments services particularly in community and socialservices areas - the bias...es and prejudices of those institutions continue to have unregulated control and input into our society still today.
      Every FA should be entitled to a minimum compensation with the opportunity to be heard re their further needs. No member of the institutions or their religious counterparts should sit on any adjudication panel or redressboard as simply their ideological was instrumental in the past when they failed society and continue to fail society through bringing theirpolluted ideals back into the restoration and compensation process.
      See More
      Yesterday at 4:49pm ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest re those who have fought for years for justice - these people should be publicly acknowledged and rewarded for their work.
      Yesterday at 4:52pm ·

    • Leigh Ryan
      To educate all Government workers on what FA stands for so that we donthave to relive who we are when we go to Centrelink eta.When we do end up in Nursing homes we dont want to feel like we are being locked up inplaces that remind of of t...he Insitutions we suffered in as children.A lot were used as guinea pigsas children in these places and it has had a hugh inpact on our healthso if we do know what was used our dr will know why we are sufferingsome long term effects now.Ill get back to this as there is so much more i know I can think off.See More
      22 hours ago ·

    • Bob McGuire you pollies .give us our entitlements -the entiltlements of health careand compensation for our abused lives ,redress is not compensation..its a pay off to shut up and piss off as we dont want to know you..we want equal compensation ,no matter what colour or race we are ..as we are equal in law so treat us that way ...
      21 hours ago ·

    • Marilyn Ross
      Compensation is the only thing I want from the government.For all the girls thatwere in girls homes I wish them happiness and peace in their lives,youhad to have been there u really did it was so hard at a young age notbeing able to do t...he things others teens could do and u did nothing to deserve being lockedaway! not to go to a concert have a boyfriend go to a dance no wecouldnt we were locked away I mean Albert Park convent was like a mental institution, for instance on cup day the nuns would make who they could usually the suck's dress up in a jockey outfit ride a broom and whoever won they got a chocie egg so can u imagine ! huh ? sick bitchesthey were think they were into Bondage and dicipline we got the bondage they gave out the dicipline ok night now xx just saying !!See More
      19 hours ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest The churches and religion have nothing of value to offer other than money - they have nothing of moral value to offer save for excuses and blame.
      15 hours ago ·

    • Leigh Ryan SORRY is just a word ACTIONS speak louder.Our scars are deep no-one can seethem.We want to be treated with the respect we deserve.As children wewere treated like scum,used and abused in all shapes and forms.Talk tous find out from us how we feel how how childhood was taken from us.Dont put us on the BACKBURNER and pretend this didnt happen.
      15 hours ago ·

    • Marilyn Ross totally agreeLeigh and yes I do want money for all of us not just me what we dont deserveit I bleedin do !!!
      5 hours ago ·

    • Marilyn Ross
      Ãnd another thing they have plenty of money so they just keep putting usoff hoping we will all go away or die ! If cant have money will keep onkeeping on and will defame them as much and often as I can !!!! Thosegirls in Parramatta u hav...e no clue anyone that hasnt been there what THEY the girls endured it was fucking horrendous ! Winnie was bad enough but Parra they beat u sent u to Hay wont even go there they deserve the money first !!!!!!!!!!Parramatta girls first ~~~~~~~~~~~and Hay girls then all the others inthat order !!! just saying xxSee More
      5 hours ago ·

    • Marilyn Ross And while Im on the subject my children had to put up with the pedo priestTHE FUCKIN'G REV FATHER O'" FUCKING DONNELL from Oakleigh we had no clue he was a pedo the dog he was !!!!!! just saying x
      5 hours ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest O'Donnell was known to the church as a child abuser in the late 1940s. He wasalso kept active by the church as he brought in huge sums of money tothe church - this in the recorded words of their sick psychologist Susan Sharkey - contact for access to these recordings
      5 hours ago 

    • Marilyn Ross I know all about it have the lot read it all thanks just the same
      5 hours ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest Also known by the corrupt "Independent Commissioner" the corrupt PeterO'Callaghan QC from the inception of his polluted commission - onlyreported when he was pressured to do so http://tiny.cc/bsl3q
      5 hours ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest
      Have all the religion you like - simply do not organize it and frighten the children with it. The only thing I have against christianity are itsfailures and its ability to inculcate and indoctrinate people intobelieving in a fairy in the... sky which I have no problem with except when it attempts to teachchildren that this is fact along with those who put forward the words of some scribe rewritten numerous times throughout history and put forward as a result of organized religion as being fact - more than happy foryou to keep your myths of satanism - just don't want a non-democratic,fairy believing organized religion to play any part in the democraticoperations of the countrySee More
      4 hours ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest
      btw - you missed including "only in it for the money", "its just a few badapples", "the boogey man in the sky will get them", "mentallydisturbed", "I am offended", "your reward will come in the next life"and you are only angry because yo...u were repeatedly raped as a child by both nuns and priests and weredenied along with millions of others their right to justice for 50 ormore years" --- oh and "forgive them so they can do it again" http://www.molestedcatholics.com/Estimating-the-numbers.php - btw2 I feel the same way about all misogynistic child raping, non-democratic religions christian or otherwise.See More
      4 hours ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest WTF - do the children of the christian religion have a choice as to which religion they should be brought up in?
      WTF2: Kevin Rudd is a christian - so was Adolph Hitler - both are poor examples of what a human being can be
      4 hours ago ·

    • Leigh Ryan Thank you as we all know these comments are important to all of us.One thing i would like us all to look at is the long term damage that was done.Wewant answers and to get them we need to say what we would like to getrather then just SORRY Our chidhood has affected all of us and ourfamilies.
      3 hours ago · 

    • Bob McGuire i was RC when family split then that queer bloke billy graham throughwater on my 9 year old head and said im a anglican now ..well really at that age what could you say ,i wanted to keep some of that water tothrow on my teacher and turn him into a rat ...
      about an hour ago ·

    • Deb Williamson Marilyn you want redress in the form of $...what would you find an acceptable amount being reasonable.
      about an hour ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest ‎@Deb agree with the main of your question - struggle on the being reasonable aspect as this makes any response subjective - is there really anreasonable response to an unreasonable situation?
      about an hour ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest Perhaps what is an appropriate amount of redress/compensation in your particular circumstance
      about an hour ago 

    • Marilyn Ross Sorry guys dont want to get into any arguments so I will say goodbye now enjoy your day xx
      55 minutes ago ·

    • Leigh Ryan I cant see how anyone could put a price on what we have been though.Iwould like to know how a ammount was made for any state who did getit.Walk 1inch in our shoes if you dare and then try and put a price onus.No-one can do that only us who have been though it and in my case noammount of $ can fix the wrongs that have been done.
      53 minutes ago ·

    • Buggered By-a Priest ‎@Leigh so true - I feel it also needs to be looked at from a preventionperspective as that is a major desire of many I have spoken with.Personally I feel that is the first human requirement and that shouldnot influence in any way on the matter of financial redress.
      40 minutes ago ·
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Dear John,

Thanks for your response (written on your website).  I am not publicly endorsed - it's a nomination process for Youth Parliament and is apolitical and elected members aren't "politicians".  They are Young Members of Parliament.  I encourage you to contact Parliament house and check for yourself.  I have outlined my rules to you and told you that I am not formally endorsed, thus you are required to take this down.  Failure to comply will result in legal action.

Have a nice day.
Chris.


 

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