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Six minute recording is played at Catholic Masses

Catholics inthe Milwaukee Archdiocese heard a recorded message from ArchbishopJerome Listecki played at most weekend Masses explaining the decisionlast week to file for financial reorganization and repeating his apology to victims of clergy abuse.

"I want to be very clear that this reorganization is happening because priestperpetrators sexually abused minors, going against everything the church and the priesthood represents," Listecki said.

Lawyers forthe archdiocese filed a petition for financial reorganization on Tuesday under Chapter 11 of the federal bankruptcy code.

Thearchbishop made no excuses for clergy who sexually abused children. Hissix-minute message was played at most Catholic Masses.

The archbishop's talk was remarkable for its blunt tone.

"Everythingsaid today or any discussion of the impact of clergy abuse on the church pales in comparison to the harm that has been done to the individualvictim," he said. "This abuse was sinful and criminal. The actions ofthe perpetrators were despicable, and I am ashamed because of thoseactions."

He stood byclaims that the reorganization would affect only the archdiocese and not schools, individual parishes, Catholic hospitals or charities that areconsidered separate entities under state law.

"I know many of you are distressed by this," he said. "I feel the same way."

Listecki apologized, too, for the church's slow response to the scandal.

"I also feeldeeply ashamed because the truth is we're here for one reason: because a small percentage of priests sexually abused minors," he said. "Addingto our shame is the fact that it took victim-survivors, all those whocame forward, to right a wrong and show us the mistakes that were made.They were the courageous ones."

The statement is posted on the archdiocese's website.

 
 
 
 
 
  1. What sick and debased lot are those who wish to deprive victims of theworst possible crime imaginable and to cast them off so that "the goodparishioners and their beneficiaries around the world " benefit.

    How dare you make such a blatant attempt to benefit from the rape of children?
  2. For all of human history, there have been victims of the most horriblecrimes. Some crimes have been committed by priests, some crimes havebeen committed by strangers, some have been committed by soldiers, somehave been committed by family members. They are all bad. They are allreprehensible. Mental health treatment, compassionate medical andspiritual care - are deserved and should be provided to any victim ofcrime. But to blame all of one's problems, and failings in life(financial losses in the millions?? Who doesn't want to pay for achild's college education?)on childhood abuse is simplistic. Aftertreatment, after a certain amount of time (decades?), one moves on likeall of the others who have had bad things happen to them. To try toextort money from people in institutions of the present who have doneyou no wrong is turning yourself from sympathetic "victim" tomoney-grubbing professional victim and victimizer.
  3. Agree that Weakland must be dis-honored, for true healing to occur. And, is it correct that the bankruptcy declaration means that Weaklandand others, who would've had to testify under oath soon, now arerelieved of that accountability? If true this is disgusting. It'd also be good to know who the bagmen were that paid off Mr. Marcoux with$300k of the diocese' money. Yep, the full truth is not 'out' and wecannot heal until it does come out.
  4. "Their money is not going to un-ruin the lives of the victims, andruining the Church for the good parishioners and their beneficiariesaround the world is not going to help anything. "

    What a disgusting and blatantly ignorant statement. Totally offensive.
  5. On reading many of these comments as a survivor of multiple rapes by both nuns and priests in Australia.

    To those who say that our lives have been ruined (and yes they have) andthat a payout would do not good for anybody - to those people I wouldlike to say that you are comprehensively ignorant and entirely devoid of feelings for your fellow human beings.

    I like thousands ofothers here and in many other countries have yet to receive any form ofpayment - and yes we would like to receive a payment so that we canattempt to catch up on the lost part of our lives for the few years most of us have left. I personally would like to be able to pay my sons waythrough an education - that is one of the things I worked for and one of the things the cover up cost me personally - it also cost me mymarriage, my family home and a productive business. My financial lossesare well over a million dollars and you have the gall to say that beingrecompensed for those losses would do no one any good.

    Thosewords are the most disgusting and the most offensive words possible tosay to someone. With those types of statements and sentiments there islittle wonder why the bridge between survivors and everyday Catholicscontinues to grow wider.

    Offensive, disgusting, immoral, ignorant, socially corrupt and devoid of human empathy.
  6. Listecki is a weak leader who lacks moral clarity. Perhaps he will findit after a few trips to the Grand Jury box--but probably not.

    He chooses to ignore Archbishop Weakland's huge role in this problem.Weakland's portrait remains in the cathedral and the Archdiocesecontinues to subsidize this shameful pervert's retirement. It's adisgrace. Weakland, and the remainder of the Archdiocesan heirarchy whocovered this up, need to be brought on RICO charges and sent to prisonwhere they belong. Just as it is never too late to prosecute Nazi warcriminals, there should be no time limits for prosecuting thesepromoters of pederasty who preyed on helpless children.
  7. Msjazz-
    Your refernce about Listecki reminding you of a "Chicagothug" - doesn't Milwaukee have enough of its own thugs? Justwondering...
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  11. I was disappointed that we had to here about this during the homily. Ifelt ashamed that my 6 year old daughter had to here about this atchurch today. Perhaps a better way of handling this would have been todirect parishoners to the Archdiocese web site for a broadcast of themessage. A homily focusing on the baptism of our savior Jesus Christwould have been a better mesage for at the parishes of the diocese. I'm extremely disappointed with the Archbishop Listecki for this poordecision to again bring this up in God's house.
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  14. All right, as I suggested before: let's hang, draw and quarter Listecki. Let's burn his entrails and throw them into Lake Michigan.His headwould look great on a pike in downtown Milwaukee! Will that makeanything better for anybody? Prosecute anybody from the present (a few), the past, the ancient past (30+ years -"oh my memory, has just comeback!!"), the dead (Excavate the old perverts!). Let's sell all of theproperty in inner-city Milwaukee. (Huge old drafty buildings, they willsell!), let's shut down all of the helping social programs of thearchdiocese, let's obliterate the pension program of all of theemployees (They are all implicit!), let's shut down schools, let's turnchurches into car washes. All of this would not satisfy the professional "victims" of SNAP (Are they not paid?) and their very well paid(notorious)lawyers. Help, treat (medically, psychologically,spiritually) any victims of any abuse. To impoverish the archdiocese oftoday (and its innocent parishioners)is not just, christian, helpful,or, even, logical. Greedy and vindictive it is.
  15. It is not self serving it is God serving. I was not opposed to them playing it in
    church, just not when we should be worshiping our Lord. I am not criticizing
    them based on false ideas. I am speaking from my own experience of healing
    from sexual abuse.
  16. kwiwi: You "resent" it when a priest at mass addresses the issue ofchildren bein abused by priests? How incredibly sad & self-serving.The church is an organization run by men, men who committed crimes which have deeply impacted all Catholics, including you. Yes, you hear about these crimes in the media. But it is ESSENTIAL that it is addresseddirectly by those involved. Wanting to avoid the issue in church serves no purpose and reeks of denial. Attitudes such as yours contribute tothis crisis in the church.

    And, those who are suing have never, ever, said that money is going to take away their pain. You are makingincorrect assumptions and criticizing them based on those false ideas.Instead of avoiding the issue, please learn more about it.
  17. Archbishop Listecki is at best telling only a half truth. This is alsoabout the church heirarchy who has for decades, if not longer, deniedthe abuse problem and did everything in it's power to hide the problem. If the problem had been addressed decades ago it would now be a problem of the past. The costs to the church, both monetarily and inmembership would have been much smaller. Even today they are duckingand dodging.
  18. Come on Meg- LISTECKI commits are self serving
    and in fact worthless.
    You don't give such comments in substitute for a sermon on Sunday.
    Disgraceful.
    Listecki reminds me of a Chicago thug.
  19. I am savior and getting rich off of being a victim is wrong I didn'tget justice and never will but now the homeless will suffer becausepeople sued and received to much. Money can't help and now there is more victims.
  20. No matter how many details and who was all involved, terrible is terrible. How
    many details and how many times does one have to go over it?? It doesnt
    help heal anyone.
  21. ««"I want to be very clear that this reorganization is happening because priest perpetrators sexually abused minors going against everything the church and the priesthood represents," Listecki said.»»

    Where is the mention of the bishops who aided and abetted these childmolesters...the bishops are accomplices. Why can't the bishops finallyadmit that it isn't all due to the molesters, but mostly guilt is onthose who passed these molesters from parish to parish, even acrossstate lines?? Until the bishops admit their guilt and do penance, thisis far from being over.

    Such hypocrisy to hide behindbankruptcy...the church Jesus founded (?) wasn't based on money foractivity programs, it was based on love and shared responsibility.
  22. Its a shame that people who gave contributions to the church during these years can't now ask for them back.

    Politicians, once they hear or see something was wrong with one of their donantions(or person doing the donation) oftentimes try to give the money back asfast as possible to make it look like they don't suport the bad guy. As someone else said, they are a business, and are now pretecting it...not their faith.

    In this case, the priests are the boogie man. And the church was their hideout...pure and simple.

    Worst yet? The Catholic church kept saying "not my Johnny" when people toldthem that their "children" had done something wrong and THEN COVERED ITUP. I would advise them to stay inside during lighting storms...Godjust might make a payback.
  23. Didn't most of Milwaukee in the day enable the culture that ignoredsexual abuse of kids? That was the city's motto, just ignore it. Weignored everything and resisted change. Even today in issues like newhotel project having to save a building facade in order to build we seeremains of that culture that can not change. Area holds onto everything even out of date ideas like Milwaukee County Mental Health complexwhich is the only one of its kind in the nation left. City has seldomvoted out an incumbent from office even if they are ineffective. Its no wonder why the area holds onto the emotions, never moves forward.
  24. The CD player wasnt working for 10:30 mass and I couldnt have been
    happier. I think to take the time for the homily to play this CD is terrible.
    My mass time is a time of worship and I resent it when it is used for this
    type of thing. It should have been an after church announcement for
    anyone who wanted to sit and listen to it. We have heard enough in the
    news and on TV. I understand that there are alot of people that have
    been hurt. I am a sexual abuse survivor myself, but if these people think
    suing the church is gonna make the pain going away, they are absolutely
    mistaken. No amount of money is going to heal or make up for your loss of
    innocence. Heal from the inside out. Move foward, there is a lot to be said
    about passing time.
  25. I applaud Archbishop Listecki for his statement, but I wish he wouldhave included the people who have been covering up for the predatorsamong those responsible for the childrens' pain and the church's current situation.
  26. What Listecki and all other bishops are also avoiding are the nuns intheir dioceses who have sexually molested kids, teens, and vulnerableadults.

    No one will be left out in the cold due to bankruptcy... most funds are secured through public monies.

    The Church started poor... WWJD?
  27. Nalbibliomania:

    I understand you are angry, but people areattempting to have a thoughtful reasoned discussion. Yes, it iswonderful that the archbishop apologized for the rape of hundreds andhundreds of children in this diocese. It is amazing what we end upbeing satisfied with. "Sorry" doesn't cut it in this case. Tell thatto the parent whose child committed suicide. What the archbishop cannot say, and will most likely never say, is that the reason for thebankruptcy is because of the actions of his colleagues. Bankruptcy isnot occurring solely because of priest perpetrators. Had the bishopsremoved the child molestor from the parish, reported them to the police, and not moved them on to annother assignment we would not be heretoday. The lawsuits that are pending are for fraud, not abuse. Thefraud committed was the systematic moving of child molestors withoutinforming the parents that their children were in danger. "Sorry"doesn't cut it when you have thousands and thousands of lives destroyedin the Milwaukee diocese, in dioceses across the country, in Ireland, in Belgium, in Italy, in Australia, in Germany, in Mexico, in theNetherlands. This was systematic criminal activity, orchestrated bythose in authority. It makes me angry too, believe me. If you thinkthings have changed think again. Listecki allowed a priest in LaCrosseto remain in ministry at a parish with a school after police hadinformed him that Noah's Ark had kicked him out of the water park forfollowing little boys into the bathroom to watch them urinate. He waslater arrested for child pornography. The system is broken. Thisdidn't happen "decades ago", it was last year.
  28. I was physically abused by the Sisters in parochial school 30 years ago. Should I also sue the Archdiocese for this?
  29. Archbishop Listecki is certainly in a no-win situation. His statementand apology was compelling and sincere, It is apparent from responsesfrom people associated with SNAP and other vitriolic anti-Catholics that NOTHING that he could say or do would ever satisfy them and the alleged victims of decades ago. If Listecki(who wasn't even in Milwaukee untilrecently) was hung, drawn and quartered and his entrails burnt andthrown into Lake Michigan; if every school, social program, and churchwas shut down - that still would not be enough for the self-appointedvigilantes. To say that the present and potential lawsuits resulting inthe Archdiocese's bankruptcy are not about MONEY ...now, that really isdisingenuous. The good, decent, innocent people of today should not behurt because of the actions of those bad people, and those acting uponerroneous clinical advice of the past. I challenge the victims of anykind of clergy abuse to give up their monetary claims, since withListecki's statement they got what they wanted. Or have they?
  30. I am outraged that Weakland and McCann are getting off free.
    Their cover ups and enablement prolonged the crisis.
  31. Rent the documentary "Deliver Us From Evil"

    Disturbing and heart wrenching film available via Netflix. The church is
    universal and so is the sin. And Fr. Thomas Doyle is a hero to every victim and
    victim's advocate.
  32. Listecki is being deceptive. First, some 61 Milwaukee Catholic clericsare credibly accused child molesters. (See BishopAccountability.org)Second, the REAL reason thousands of Catholics are distraught and dozens of victims have sued is because Catholic officials ignore and concealclergy sex crimes.

    It's a clever and simple sound byte - blaming predator priests. But it's disingenuous and Listecki knows it.

    David Clohessy, Director, SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, (7234 Arsenal Street, St. Louis MO 63143), 314 566 9790 cell(SNAPclohessy@aol.com)
  33. Betty, I think the former D.A. probably and many, many others, regret alot of the enabling. In their defense, most probably had no idea howwidespread the felonies were. How many bishops were repeatedlytransferring men they knew to be predators.

    They were also boundby rules of evidence. Catholic Bishops have no such impediment when itcomes to managing/disciplining their priests.
    According to canon law, the only priesthood in any diocese resides with the Bishop. Theordained only have faculties through him. The Bishop does not needevidence or a complaint to suspend a priest's faculties. All discretionresides with his judgement about the fitness of his priests.
  34. This church had decades to do what was right. They refused every time.
    This is a last attempt to take no responsibility for the actions of child
    rapists.

    Read the article from last week carefully: for SNAP people this was
    never about the money. Before $ could be discussed, they wanted full
    access and public release of records tied to sexual abuse of children by
    the priests. Denied this, they were unwilling to talk about $. The
    Archdiocese then goes public saying "they want more money than we can
    give" which is also untrue. This is a simple continuation of the blame-
    the-victim game.

    Sadly, keeping laypeople out of really meaningful decision-making roles
    has hurt their cause. Trust is gone in many cases. Young Catholics
    flock to other faiths and denominations. Ask any protestant congregation
    who makes up the largest percentage of new members: it's always
    Catholics. One can only tolerate being told what to do-while that group
    does something in total contrast to that-- for so long, without seeing the
    light.

    Right on, Roy Howell.
  35. I would love to see the tone and content of the posts if Milwaukee County is
    someday forced to declare bankruptcy because of the knowing and outright
    complicity of the former DA, E. Michael McCann, in covering up these
    assaults.
  36. I don't think there is any debate remaining that what was done to thevictims was gruesome, horrendous, and ruined lives. Nor is there anydebate about the cover-up at the behest of the heirarchy. But at somepoint, we have to say, "where do we go from here?" On the one hand, wecould look at this as a crime situation: perpetrator priests andaiders-and-abettors superiors. Get rid of the statute of limitations,and put every person to whom actions or knowledge and acquiescence canbe proven in jail. That's what we do with extortionists, gang lords,organized crime bosses, bank robbers and murderers. We rarely sue their organizations out of existence, and those organizations should be outof existence. But this vendetta against the Catholic Church itself hasbecome totally about money, with the victims lining up for a huge payday with no limit. The vast, vast majority of Catholic people are goodhonest gentle people, and the amount of actual charity and good worksdone by the Catholic Church and its members around the world for acouple thousand years is unmatched. At what point do we becomeunwilling to penalize the millions of good Catholic people who ARE theChurch? Their money is not going to un-ruin the lives of the victims,and ruining the Church for the good parishioners and their beneficiaries around the world is not going to help anything.
  37. As a survivor think this issue has created more buzz than life's reality of bigger problems that face a greater number of people in societydoing more harm such as homelessness, hunger and kids on drugs. It isthe quest of restitution, angry society feeling money makes them wholefeeding lawsuits that is our problem today. In the end it is the makerHimself that created all for better or worse and it is by His designeverything happens for a reason. This group suing the church is wrongthat all survivors even care to reopen the wounds. Man protected wasnot a priest but one that donated away their sins for appearances with a dark side. I go forward everyday in peace, happier and full of joy asan advocate for the underserved.
  38. It's a start, but there's much work to be done. Being a reformedCatholic myself, I'd like to see a break with Rome because no realprogress can be made until the old ways are forgotten. Let priests marry if they so desire. Allow women to be ordained. Get with the times.These are the things that will bring people back to the church. Ihaven't been to a Catholic mass in years, but from what people tell me,it's mostly old folks attending. Change or perish. I stopped going whenrefused to baptize my kids bcause my first marraige was never annulled. My request to look at the children separate from the situation fell ondeaf ears, just like a lot of things do in my former religion.
  39. This cover up fiasco has been going on for generations. It's about time that an authority in the church has come forth. The American churchcannot survive as it is now. The church needs to come out of the darkages and allow married men to be priests and perhaps even women. If the church continues to ordain pedophile men they will continue to havethis problem.
  40. The catholic church is nothing but a business.
  41. Now that any victims of clergy sexual abuse have as sincere a mea culpaas possible from Archbishop Listecki (who in no way has been implicatedin wrong-doing), will the victims and their lawyers step forward and say thank you, keep your money to do good deeds, and sin no more...
  42. Roy, 360, very well stated.
  43. Well said by Listecki and "bringbackcapitalism" as well.

    I would like to see Listecki get Weakland's name off St. John's Cathedral as well as his likeness in painting and statuatory.
  44. Listecki deserves credit for saying it. His predecessor said theproblems were caused by lawyers and assigned little or no fault to theabusers. This is an important step in the right direction, but it isonly one step, and it is long overdue.
  45. This dude is still missing the point. At this point, this is not so much about the rapist priests. This is about the Catholic Church'scomplicity in covering up the crime and, in fact, allowing the rapes ofchildren to continue by shuffling the priests from church to church.
  46. The first step to fixing a problem is acknowledging it so I see this as a step in the right direction. No reason to sugar coat what peoplealready know about. Nice work Archbishop.
  47. bringback, in Christianity, absolution always FOLLOWS restitution. Individual responsibility matters.

    Among other things, this has always been about the priest shortage.

    http://www.amazon.com/Full-Pews-Empty-Altars-Demographics/dp/0299136949

    The candidate pool from which the Bishops choose their priests is much toosmall. Even those who are not abusers are frequently unqualified.

    Roman Catholic hierarchy needs to return to the way it used to be. Celibacy was optional.

    Mark 1:30 Now Peter's mother-in-law lay ill with a fever, and immediatelythey told him about her. 31 And he came and took her by the hand andlifted her up, and the fever left her, and she began to serve them.

    It's also long overdue for the hierarchy to consider qualified women as candidates for the priesthood.
  48. no amount of money will ever make up for the damages done to thevictims, but bankrupting the parishes, charities, and schools systemswill do little to advance justice.

    I'm sure the hungry and homeless that will be left out in the cold because their shelter has been closed will agree.
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